Women As Preists

words by DreamOfPeace posted July 14, 2005 - 11:31pm

While the resurrects Pope Benedict XVI's dislike of Harry Potter another quieter battle is going on.

On July 6th Cardinal Archbishop Philippe Barbarin excommunicated a Catholic woman for claiming to be an ordained priest.

Genevieve Beney, a 56-year-old married physical education teacher and mother of two, was "ordained" Saturday on a boat on the Saone River near the eastern French city, by self-proclaimed "bishops" from the dissident movement Women's Ordination Worldwide as 60 activists who support female ordination looked on.

Then today in Canada

The archbishop of Ottawa has ordered the city's Catholic pastors and priests not to discuss the issue of female ordination in anticipation of an Ottawa conference promoting the controversial practice later this month.

The "Ottawa Conference" referred to is the Women's Ordination Conference now in it's 27th year of history. From the website

The Mission and Purpose of the
. . . . . . Women s Ordination Conference is to:

' Reclaim the church s early tradition of a discipleship of equals;
' Recognize a variety of ministries in the Roman Catholic Church;
' Promote inclusive spiritualities which are liberating and feminist;
' Support ministries that meet the spiritual needs of the
People of God;
' Celebrate our diversity of gender, race, ethnicity,
sexuality, language and symbol.

I am not a Catholic. I am an Atheist, and so view the Catholic church only as a powerful political entity from which women are barred access.


From "The World Seen From Rome"

For the eighth consecutive year, the operating statement for fiscal year 2000 for the Holy See closes with a net gain of 17.720 billion, equal to $8,516,000 US at the exchange rate at the end of the year of 2,080.89 lire per dollar. The total expenses were 404.378 billion and the total income was 422.098 billion. Compared with the previous fiscal year, the income was more substantial, having increased by 64 billion. As is easily imaginable, the increase in expenses is strictly related to the celebration of the Jubilee Year, which brought with it greater activity, and therefore a greater need for personnel, within the various offices of the Roman Curia and also of the media organs connected with the Holy See. In fact, in 2000 the number of our employees was approximately 2,700, with an increase of roughly 70 persons. The increase in income came particularly from a favorable monetary situation. With these introductory remarks, I turn now to an analysis of the principal entries of the operating statement, which as usual are expressed categorically in the following four sectors.

For the Record, the Net Income of Microsoft is just under 12 Billion. Imagine the outrage you would feel if women were not aloud to hold management positions there.

From PBS

Ninety percent of what goes into the Sunday collection basket stays with the parish; the rest goes "downtown" -- that is, to the diocese. A struggling diocese will get no help from Rome. On the contrary, parishes take a special collection once a year for the Vatican. The American Church, so often at odds with the Vatican, is its biggest contributor.

I would like to hear what all of you think of the role of women in the Church.


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Comment by media girl posted July 15, 2005 - 12:51am

I never understood the patriarchy of the Church. I read a Gloria Steinem essay that basically said all the ritual and power and tradition were to claim creation for men, and to devalue women as mere carriers of precious seed. It seems petty and fearful, much of Church doctrine. The anti-woman, anti-gay doctrine that they preach in the name of virtue destroys lives, if you ask me.


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Comment by DreamOfPeace posted July 15, 2005 - 8:42am

Became born again and it bothered. I felt as though the rest of us should have been paying more attention to him or something.

Anyway, afterwords I kept trying to bring him back to the light and we had many long arguements (fairly civil) about the Bible. The net result was that I am now an Atheist that knows the Bible and Christian history pretty well.

Here is something interesting - especially to us.

Christianity really took off because if offerred Jewish women a chance to choose their mate. Marraige for love rather than by appointment was big news and women flocked in. Women were aloud to hold leadership rolls until Paul. You see Paul wanted to convert the Greeks and the Greeks were very sexist so, to bring the Greeks into the fold he told them - promised them - that women would not be aloud to lead. Sound familiar?

If there is an organized religion that doesn't stab women in the back, I don't know what it is.

Maybe that's the lesson. Don't let men organize.

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Comment by artemisia posted July 15, 2005 - 3:09am

The Arch Diocese of Boston has been forced to contract lately. Financial difficulties associated with priest abuse litigation, plus declining numbers of new priests, has prompted the arch diocese to close and consolidate churches. loyal parishoners of closing churches are not taking this laying down. there have been protests, sit ins, and public letters of complaint. the position of these parishoners is that it is THEIR church. they supported it all these years. they volunteered for church events, taught sunday school, dropped money in the collection plate every week. to them, it is a community church.

but the word out of the arch diocese is clear: the church does not belong to the parishoners, it belongs to THE CHURCH, the arch diocese, the holy see, whatever. parishoners have no ownership interest in the local church building or in the religious community it represents.

that the catholic church is a top-down organization is of no surprise to anyone. what is interesting though, is that the parishoners and some parish priests have begun to protest that hierarchy. whether its closing local churches or ordaining women locally, there is growing demand for autonomy and self determination.

frankly, to me, its the wrong battle to be fighting. rather than demanding more control, parishoners, IMHO, should be questioning the theology of the catholic church, and christianity in general. but that's just me. a single male diety creating the universe? i dunna think so.


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