Roe v. Wade is not the Gordian knot

words by Maureen posted July 19, 2005 - 2:51pm

For (usually male) Democrats, it's sometimes quite tempting to give up Roe v. Wade for political gain. If abortion were made the province of the states, they think, the Republicans will lose their big national wedge issue and they'll lose the pro-life advantage--plus, the backlash that'll come when abortion suddenly becomes illegal in many states will eventually lead to the relegalization of abortion!

Right?

Wrong.

Yesterday I was preparing to speculate on whether Bush would nominate an obviously anti-abortion judge in order to please his base or a stealth pro-choice judge in order to keep abortion an issue on the national scene. I outlined the short-term and long-term political ramifications of each... and suddenly realized I had misjudged the political calculus.

There are various anecdotes told about family members who would have voted for Kerry if only he were anti-abortion. It doesn't matter that he doesn't like the procedure, wants to reduce its incidence--all that matters is that he wants to keep abortion legal. It's a bit naive to think that removing Roe v. Wade is going to lessen the zeal of these voters. If we shift the matter to a state-by-state issue, then--as with gay marriage--we'll suddenly have the "I just want to reverse Roe v. Wade" line replaced with "I'll only vote for a presidential candidate who supports a Constitutional amendment barring elective abortions." Because if you believe, as some of the most adamant anti-choicers do, that legalized abortion has produced a holocaust, then how would you tolerate it being legal anywhere?

One hundred and forty-seven years ago, the debates between two men running for the same Senate seat focused on the issue of slavery; one year ago, one of the men running for that same Senate seat compared himself to Lincoln when arguing against abortion. And the same words apply:
"A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free."

Will we end up as slaves, or free?


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Comment by media girl posted July 19, 2005 - 3:03pm

The essential part of the political calculus is that the Dems can't do a damned thing about the Supreme Court. They ran away from this issue years ago, letting the Republicans frame the issue with women as nothing more than walking warm wombs.

Now it seems we get Edith Brown Clement. DKosopedia has nothing on any record on reproductive rights. ABC's The Note says:

Conservative activists not sure of her stance on substantive due process and/or Roe v. Wade.

And questions that Clement is the actual nominee, pointing to some interestingly rushed appearances by Gonzales in Boston before an early AM meeting at the White House today.

via SusanHu at Booman


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Comment by DreamOfPeace posted July 19, 2005 - 3:13pm

My question is, do you beleive that the current Administration truely embraces Christian Fundamentalism or do you think they are pandering for votes? You can bet the Bush Twins have access to Morning After Pills.

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Comment by bayprairie posted July 19, 2005 - 3:41pm

I don't think he's born again. It's the biggest con game going. They've sold it hook line and sinker to boobus americanus (Gov. Wilbert Lee (Pappy) O'Daniel

...At the behest of radio fans, he filed for governor May 1, 1938. During the Democratic primary campaign in one-party Texas he stressed the Ten Commandments, the virtues of his own Hillbilly Flour, and the need for old-age pensions, tax cuts, and industrialization. Continuing his pose as a hillbilly, he acted under the professional direction of public-relations men. Accompanied by his band, the Hillbilly Boys, and the Bible, he attracted huge audiences, especially in rural areas. In the primary he smashed the other candidates and eliminated the usual necessity of a runoff. He had pledged to block any sales tax, abolish capital punishment, liquidate the poll tax (which he had not paid) and raise old-age pensions, but he reneged on all these promises...

If i close my eyes I can just see W.C. Fields looking at his cards and my mind fills with the words of PT Barnum, theres a sucker born every minute. You know, it is probably no accident that the circuses all use to winter in the Great State 'O Texas.


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Comment by DreamOfPeace posted July 19, 2005 - 4:15pm

About a month ago on PBS I was listening to a recording of Govenor Reagan stating that he could never be President because he was an atheist and pro-choice. Interesting.

It would be hard to find a more gullible and maleable group of followers

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Comment by Maureen posted July 19, 2005 - 4:47pm

Whoa! I knew that he was pro-choice pre-1980 (and that may have informed his choice of O'Connor, come to think of it)--but an atheist?

Pity real life isn't eligible for an Academy Award.

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Comment by Marisacat posted July 19, 2005 - 3:31pm

Nathan Newman put a post up at Dkos. and Clements is a member of the Federalist Society... sooooo....

This is a link to the May 24 Hardball... catch Biden up first, then Lott. Biden is so cavalier (well, until it comes to MNBA lobbyists, LOL) he baldly states, if Roe is overturned, 35 states will still allow abortion...

and later Lott, LOL gives the game away. The Republicans are counting on the Red State dems to play ball on abortion judges (oh that would be the famous COMPROMISE of the spring on the judges... and the Gang of 14). Those Red State Dems are nt beholden to the SPECIAL INTERESTS... Lott and Tweety have a laugh over it all.

And I am sure the DLC cranks out the same messages. why not.

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